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PostSubject: Re: Sewage Discharge Notification   Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:23 pm

Not getting this, another discharge, thats 3 in 3 days. The rivers have been full but no more significant rain ?

14:56 today

Within the next hour and a half, Mogden Sewage Treatment Works will be discharging heavily diluted storm water into the River Thames.

Storm water is screened, settled in tanks and mixed with fully treated wastewater before it reaches the river.

We regret the necessity to discharge partly treated effluent in this way. Improvements are already under way at Mogden to reduce the chance of this happening in the future.

Until this essential work is done, London's sewer network - which is Victorian - and other facilities will remain overstretched. This means that after heavy rain there is simply nowhere else for excess storm sewage to go, which is why these discharges, though regrettable, are legal and consented.

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PostSubject: Re: Sewage Discharge Notification   Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:36 pm

The explanation maybe the very big tides with flood water on top. We have emailed to try and find out.
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PostSubject: Re: Sewage Discharge Notification   Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:44 pm

Dear David
Thank you for your enquiry below.

It takes us a while to recover from long periods of heavy rain such as we
experienced a week or so ago, as our catchment area is very large and some
of the wastewater travels 20 miles before it reaches us:

The high volume of wastewater coming into Mogden during these times cannot
be all treated at once and so the excess is stored in our storm tanks,
until the flow reduces and the wastewater can be returned to the head of
the works for processing. If our storm tanks reach capacity, however, we
have no option but to discharge to the River Thames to prevent wastewater
backing up into streets or homes.

You are also correct that the high level of the river at the moment in
conjunction with high tides affects us adversely. our process uses gravity
to discharge the final treated effluent to the river and so high tides can
prolong this, again delaying how quickly we can empty the storm tanks.

We are currently building an extension to Mogden, which means we will be
able to treat over 1,000 million litres per day, and so, significantly
reducing the amount of partially-treated sewage that overflows into the
River Thames following heavy rain, and meet new Environment Agency (EA)
standards by March 2013.

In the meantime, we take action to reduce the impact of discharges into the
river. Our regulator, the EA, monitors the dissolved oxygen (DO) levels in
the river and they let us know when DO is low so that we send out our two
'Bubbler' boats, which pump oxygen into the river to help fish and other
aquatic wildlife survive the pollution impact of significant storm
discharges from the sewerage network.

For similar reasons, again when requested by the EA, we also inject
hydrogen peroxide into the River Thames from strategic points along the
foreshore of the river. In addition, we operate two 'Skimmer' boats to
reduce litter on the river linked to the discharges from combined sewer
overflows (CSOs).

If you have any other questions or queries, please don't hesitate to
contact me.

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PostSubject: Re: Sewage Discharge Notification   Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:43 pm

The water companies make great efforts to remind us all about domestic mis-connections, foul must not be plumbed in to a rainwater gully, and rainwater must not be plumbed in to the foul - so far, so good. Yet they do exactly that with the rainwater gullies at the sides of the roads. There is only one combined sewer system.

Why is that? Simple, because it's cheaper.
I wonder if any of the accountants running these firms knows (or cares) a darn thing about waste water management. United Nations Environment Programme - Managing Urban Sewage - An Introductory Guide for Decision-makers

The super-sewer is the ultimate bodge-up patch on a rotten system. (Well it was a good system when Bazalgette built it 160 years ago, unfortunately he made it good enough that later stewards could get lazy...). As a solution the super-sewer is to be welcomed, I guess, but what year will it be completed? 2020 at the earliest? Precluding a legal challenge from the good people of Barnes...

Watch this video, in Milwaukee they have just built a super-sewer to tackle this same problem, but whilst it has the volume, it still doesn't solve the problem during a rainstorm - it is unable to deal with the flows! MMSD dumps rain water into local water ways during June 15th rain storm

Here's another ignorant viewpoint.

Is there any kind of animal, other than humans, that would defecate in its own drinking water supply? Mad
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PostSubject: Re: Sewage Discharge Notification   Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:31 pm

18:06 Today

Within the next hour and a half, Mogden Sewage Treatment Works will be
discharging heavily diluted storm water into the River Thames.

Storm water is screened, settled in tanks and mixed with fully treated
wastewater before it reaches the river.

We regret the necessity to discharge partly treated effluent in this way.
Improvements are already under way at Mogden to reduce the chance of this
happening in the future.

Until this essential work is done, London's sewer network - which is
Victorian - and other facilities will remain overstretched. This means that
after heavy rain there is simply nowhere else for excess storm sewage to
go, which is why these discharges, though regrettable, are legal and
consented.

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PostSubject: Re: Sewage Discharge Notification   Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:06 pm

10:45 am today

Within the next hour and a half, Mogden Sewage Treatment Works will be discharging heavily diluted storm water into the River Thames.

Storm water is screened, settled in tanks and mixed with fully treated wastewater before it reaches the river.

We regret the necessity to discharge partly treated effluent in this way. Improvements are already under way at Mogden to reduce the chance of this happening in the future.

Until this essential work is done, London's sewer network - which is Victorian - and other facilities will remain overstretched. This means that after heavy rain there is simply nowhere else for excess storm sewage to go, which is why these discharges, though regrettable, are legal and consented.

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PostSubject: Re: Sewage Discharge Notification   Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:26 pm

One on 15/02 and today at 10:08 am

Within the next hour, Mogden Sewage Treatment Works will be discharging heavily diluted storm water into the River Thames.

Storm water is screened, settled in tanks and mixed with fully treated wastewater before it reaches the river.

We regret the necessity to discharge partly treated effluent in this way. Improvements are already under way at Mogden to reduce the chance of this happening in the future.

Until this essential work is done, London's sewer network - which is Victorian - and other facilities will remain overstretched. This means that after heavy rain there is simply nowhere else for excess storm sewage to go, which is why these discharges, though regrettable, are legal and consented.

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PostSubject: Re: Sewage Discharge Notification   Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:13 pm

1pm today

Within the next hour and a half, Mogden Sewage Treatment Works will be discharging heavily diluted storm water into the River Thames.

Storm water is screened, settled in tanks and mixed with fully treated wastewater before it reaches the river.

We regret the necessity to discharge partly treated effluent in this way. Improvements are already under way at Mogden to reduce the chance of this happening in the future.

Until this essential work is done, London's sewer network - which is Victorian - and other facilities will remain overstretched. This means that after heavy rain there is simply nowhere else for excess storm sewage to go, which is why these discharges, though regrettable, are legal and consented.

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PostSubject: Re: Sewage Discharge Notification   Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:05 pm

14:10 today....

Within the next hour and a half, Mogden Sewage Treatment Works will be discharging heavily diluted storm water into the River Thames.

Storm water is screened, settled in tanks and mixed with fully treated wastewater before it reaches the river.

We regret the necessity to discharge partly treated effluent in this way. Improvements are already under way at Mogden to reduce the chance of this happening in the future.

Until this essential work is done, London's sewer network - which is Victorian - and other facilities will remain overstretched. This means that after heavy rain there is simply nowhere else for excess storm sewage to go, which is why these discharges, though regrettable, are legal and consented.

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PostSubject: Re: Sewage Discharge Notification   Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:47 pm

Yesterday at 13:10

and today at 15:14

Within the next hour and a half, Mogden Sewage Treatment Works will be discharging heavily diluted storm water into the River Thames.

Storm water is screened, settled in tanks and mixed with fully treated wastewater before it reaches the river.

We regret the necessity to discharge partly treated effluent in this way. Improvements are already under way at Mogden to reduce the chance of this happening in the future.

Until this essential work is done, London's sewer network - which is Victorian - and other facilities will remain overstretched. This means that after heavy rain there is simply nowhere else for excess storm sewage to go, which is why these discharges, though regrettable, are legal and consented.

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PostSubject: Re: Sewage Discharge Notification   Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:12 pm

12:21 today....

Within the next hour and a half, Mogden Sewage Treatment Works will be discharging heavily diluted storm water into the River Thames.

Storm water is screened, settled in tanks and mixed with fully treated wastewater before it reaches the river.

We regret the necessity to discharge partly treated effluent in this way. Improvements are already under way at Mogden to reduce the chance of this happening in the future.

Until this essential work is done, London's sewer network - which is Victorian - and other facilities will remain overstretched. This means that after heavy rain there is simply nowhere else for excess storm sewage to go, which is why these discharges, though regrettable, are legal and consented.

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Thames Water Customer Services - Mogden Line (24hr/day): 0845 641 0030

Mogden is the second largest Sewage Treatment Works in the UK, serving 1.9 million people.  For more information please visit our website at thameswater.co.uk/mogden

To unregister for email alerts about discharges on the River Thames, email rower.notification@thameswater.co.uk with 'Discharges on the River Thames – Unregister' as the subject line.

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PostSubject: Re: Sewage Discharge Notification   Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:34 pm

I was thinking when it rained the other day, that it would will fill the empty storm tanks and then the next rain we'll have a discharge from Mogden. All last night it rained and now here it comes ....
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PostSubject: Re: Sewage Discharge Notification   Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:04 pm

Yikes, just received one Jun 10, 2011, 12:59 PM pale

Within the next hour and a half, Hammersmith Sewage Pumping Station will be discharging heavily diluted storm water into the River Thames.

We regret the necessity to discharge partly treated effluent in this way.

Until this essential work is done, London's sewer network - which is Victorian - and other facilities will remain overstretched. This means that after heavy rain there is simply nowhere else for excess storm sewage to go, which is why these discharges, though regrettable, are legal and consented.

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PostSubject: Re: Sewage Discharge Notification   Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:53 pm

Have called the EA fisheries team but hit voice mail, awaiting a call back..

Anyone in the area, please let us know what you see.
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PostSubject: Re: Sewage Discharge Notification   Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:28 pm

so soon after what happened at the weekend !!!!!! This aint good enough folks . I have a good mind to collect some of this sewage in a bag and rub it into the main door at thames water !! im fuming over this as im sure all of you are !
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PostSubject: Re: Sewage Discharge Notification   Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:04 pm

Adrian Hoare wrote:
im fuming over this as im sure all of you are !

Yes mate fuming - especially when you see the absolute mint condition of the fish living on the tidal.

That dead pike Paul photographed...in 15 years or so of annually netting the full tidal along 5 points from Richmond down, the EA Fisheries have never seen a pike. Not one. The first we see turns up dead.

5lb mullet dead. How we'd love to catch them eh mate? I remember you stalking some last year on the tidal.

And so many scale-perfect dace, some massive and the biggest dace most of us would ever catch, dead.

Fuming - that's why we've all gone on a mission this week to shame Thames Water. BBC, ITV, The Guardian, Evening Standard, local newspapers, forums. I'm not sure anglers have pulled that off before....
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PostSubject: Re: Sewage Discharge Notification   Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:17 pm

and very nicely shamed too steve mate . Yes , that tiny pike was shocking ..... Perfection in miniature as wilson would say , or it was , anyway .
Glad theyve been made to look a joke .... Big pat on the backs to the efforts of all the guys who managed to get down there and help that evening , wish i could of .
Its a real honour being a member of the tac , a big group of anglers commited to doing something about all this .
It shows what an impression we are making and caring for the health of the river and everything that lives around and within it .
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PostSubject: Re: Sewage Discharge Notification   Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:39 pm

So I guess as a result of my call to them this afternoon I must be on the EA official troublemakers list now.
Basically the notification this afternoon was a bit of a false alarm and TW should not have sent it out. (Though we should be the judge of that methinks...)
Neil Dunlop from the EA just called me out of the blue and explained to me how the sewers and discharges all work, the differences between Mogden and the CSOs, etc. Apparently Thames Water do oxygenate with hydrogen peroxide right at the point of discharge. At Mogden the first part of the surge that comes through (which is the worst) is always held back in 2 storm tanks, only when those are full is the lighter mostly-rainwater stuff discharged and it is quite well screened. The worst stuff that we are seeing is direct CSO pumping station storm surge effluent which has no screening. There are no screens before on those pumping station outfalls.
The river flows especially at low tide are so low that the surge discharge can far exceeds the actual river flow.
I said my bit about 2 years until Mogden expansion is complete and 10 years for the super sewer not being quick enough and we were going to keep on highlighting this until it is sorted, we will not stop.
I also asked if any of their real-time monitoring data could be published on a web page, there's some issue with it not being verified yet at that stage.
He said that they would like to put together a presentation to us about it all, and I told him about the Walton 19th June event and suggested they come along (and to contact Dave Harvey for more info).



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PostSubject: sewage discharge notification   Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:43 pm

hi guys,
i finished work about 3.30pm and walked home along the river as usual, i live about 200yds downstream of the hammersmith storm drain, the tide was reaching its lowest point and i walked onto hammersmith bridge to get a better vantage point into the margins on both sides of the river, i saw no signs of any distressed fish, but i have to say, my vision was obscured by the colour of the water, its like liquid chocolate.
Outside my house, (i,m on the third floor, so i have a great view of the river), i,m using binos to scan the waters edge, (there is no access point outside my home and its very deep mud out there), and at the moment i can see no sign of distress, the tufty,s and mallards are having it big time, but they always are, the tide has turned now and i can clearly see huge plumes of muddy waater coming up, much more than usual, its definitely the wrong colour for the time of year.
i will keep checking it.
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PostSubject: Re: Sewage Discharge Notification   Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:20 pm

Thanks James

We suspect, any only a guess, that with the incident on Monday, the rotting sewage in the tanks had been flushed, so this incident may not be as bad. Can not confirm that though.

There are around 60 incidents a year of CSO's overflowing and this week was worst case senario. The same conditions as 2004/07/09.

Any overflow is bad

Correct though Ed, lets get it reported to the EA, each and everytime
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PostSubject: sewage discharge notification   Fri Jun 10, 2011 7:49 pm

hi guys,
you would think with all their millions and "expertise?, that Thames Water could have one of their bubblers on site when they discharge their muck.
I guess that having a moral centre and a modicum of decency in a civilised society is beyond their tiny money grabbing minds, and as for getting any help from government ministers, forget that, they have got to line up their directorships after they leave the gravy train, also known as westminster.

Colour in river seems to have dropped out quite a bit as river reaches high tide.
untold litter coming up, i think people are getting cheesed off with not having their rubbish collcted and are dumping in river.
roll on the 16th
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PostSubject: Re: Sewage Discharge Notification   Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:36 pm

James Annear wrote:
i,m using binos to scan the waters edge

You keep those trained on the water James - we don't want you arrested mate! Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Sewage Discharge Notification   Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:36 pm

The EA have effectively real time monitoring of water quality. When I saw them on Wednesday one the experts was down and they jokingly refer to it as a 'dark art'.
There is as much touch and feel as science involved, very clever people.
The oxygenating boats are called out by the EA along with any Hydrogen peroxide that's put in.

The boats are not run by Thames Water, but they pay in full for their operation.
How the boats work is they pull air in and extract the Oxygen, then fire it into the river in microscopic size.

The monitoring is of dissolved oxygen levels amongst others. On a lake for example, the DO hitting 30 is a trigger level and dangerous below that. They have been going to many lakes recently as this had been the case. I do not know the exact river level as it is flowing, so different. But on Monday/Tuesday the DO was below 10, that kills everything.

On the live monitoring they kept mentioning sag, this I established is where the charts show a dip in DO, so a sag I the chart.

Specifically on Sunday/Monday, the EA, I think like us had been expecting the overflow as the conditions were right, or wrong for the river.

We briefly discussed about them hosting event where all the monitoring etc and much more will be explained, should be excellent and will update you as the details come available.

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PostSubject: Re: Sewage Discharge Notification   Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:29 am

Very heavy rain in west London this morning, just driven back through Clapham/Wandsworth and it's over the pavements.

Have spoken to the EA fisheries team who are with the monitoring guys, seems levels are normal at present. Will keep in touch if anything changes, ie tw overflow.

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PostSubject: sewage discharge notification   Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:18 am

alright dave,
i,ve been watching the river for the last couple of hours, it,s at the bottom of the tide at the moment, the river is very coloured,(probably due to the rainfall), but there is a continuous line of very dark, almost black water coming through on my side, (the side of the storm drain outlet), another thing i,ve noticed, apart from half a dozen seagulls, all the waterfowl are on the barnes side, very strange. no sign of distressed fish at the moment.
got to go to work now, will keep my eyes on it later.
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