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PostSubject: Re: Drought - The Greatest threat to our rivers?   Sat Apr 07, 2012 5:35 pm

the part of roding i look after is the upper roding and we have drainage ditches from the farms and hardly anything lives where these enter the river. las year slurry was running down one of these ditches but the EA blocked it off before it could pollute the river not good news as 2 farm hands lost there lives and all the fish in passingford pond were killed
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PostSubject: Re: Drought - The Greatest threat to our rivers?   Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:42 am

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PostSubject: Re: Drought - The Greatest threat to our rivers?   Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:45 am

at the end of the daily mail report" companies are also planning to apply for permits to take water out of rivers".the sun "thames waters dirty badge of honour" thats great incentive.
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PostSubject: Re: Drought - The Greatest threat to our rivers?   Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:26 am

Thought the Sun article was an April fools joke, no just a bunch of fools at our biggest water company.

Check out the insert in the Mail piece about Richard Benyon, quite funny someone trying to stitch him up.
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PostSubject: Re: Drought - The Greatest threat to our rivers?   Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:58 am

Interesting Info I picked up from one of the Building Contractors who built the newly opened Grange Hotel
in Prescot Street London. They had permission to put a sink well in,which goes down about 160 metres into the
London Clay and draws water which is used by the Hotel for everything but drinking purposes. This was the 3rd well this builder has worked on in London.There must be a lot of water past the clay in London.

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PostSubject: Re: Drought - The Greatest threat to our rivers?   Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:40 pm

Cheers John that's very interesting and good to hear.
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PostSubject: Re: Drought - The Greatest threat to our rivers?   Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:12 am

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PostSubject: Get your own borehole   Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:12 am

Evening Standard "Homes and Property" 11th April: Hosepipe ban? Tap into your own private supply
You can legally extract up to 20,000 litres/day without a license!
If everyone did this, what would the effect be...?
  • Would aquifers reduce and rivers start to run dry all over the place?
  • Or is it a more efficient way of accessing water that would actually reduce demands on our rivers by the water companies?
  • When used for watering the garden, is it not coming from the ground and mostly going back in to the ground?
  • If piped through the home as "grey" water for flushing etc, ultimately it will return to the river systems via the sewage works.

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PostSubject: THE CHELSEA FLOWER SHOW   Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:04 am

I was watching a program around two/three ago, Chelsea show had its own bore hole, but was still banned from using a hose pipe, where that lady above can still use a hose pipe, or did i hear wrong
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PostSubject: Re: Drought - The Greatest threat to our rivers?   Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:10 am

Was upstream from Boulters Lock Maidenhead the other day. The houses (mansions more or less) fronting the river have signs up on the garden fences saying that the council have authorised them to take water from the river for their gardens.

There was absolutely no flow on the river.
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PostSubject: Re: Drought - The Greatest threat to our rivers?   Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:55 am

Steve Holmes wrote:
Was upstream from Boulters Lock Maidenhead the other day. The houses (mansions more or less) fronting the river have signs up on the garden fences saying that the council have authorised them to take water from the river for their gardens.

There was absolutely no flow on the river.





can they do that
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PostSubject: Re: Drought - The Greatest threat to our rivers?   Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:12 pm

Steve Holmes wrote:
...The houses (mansions more or less) fronting the river have signs up on the garden fences saying that the council have authorised them to take water from the river...

Interesting that it's the council authorising it, I'd have thought that would be an EA matter; any chance you took a close-up photo of the notice? Individual household abstraction seems to be considered negligible by the authorities though...

In England you can abstract up to 20m3 (4000 gallons) without a licence:
http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/business/topics/water/32032.aspx
http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/business/topics/water/119927.aspx

In (wetter) Scotland you can abstract up to 10m3 (2200 gallons) per day under the General Binding Rule without a licence:
http://www.sepa.org.uk/water/abstraction.aspx
http://www.sepa.org.uk/water/water_regulation/regimes/impoundment/important_info_for_farmers.aspx


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PostSubject: Re: Drought - The Greatest threat to our rivers?   Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:52 pm

Ed Randall wrote:
any chance you took a close-up photo of the notice?

No...but it was something very short along the lines of:

Please note the council have given permission for us to take water from the river

Presumably they'd been seen taking water for the garden and complained about already.
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PostSubject: Re: Drought - The Greatest threat to our rivers?   Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:34 pm

I think i read somewhere that you can take water, so much a day, but it has to be from a bor hole in your garden, not from a river
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PostSubject: Re: Drought - The Greatest threat to our rivers?   Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:44 pm

EA doc lists all types of source together, so no difference.

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PostSubject: Re: Drought - The Greatest threat to our rivers?   Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:16 pm

i heard potatoe growers can take water all year round if so why grow them in the driest counties.
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PostSubject: Re: Drought - The Greatest threat to our rivers?   Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:32 pm

Andy Banham wrote:
i heard potatoe growers can take water all year round if so why grow them in the driest counties.

I believe that anyone can take up to 20 m3 per day without a permit, but I'm pretty sure that the EA has to be informed AND the water has to be metered.

There was a case in the last couple of weeks where a man made pond or ressy was being filled with water pumped from a stream, when the EA checked the actual water meter they found they had been taking way over that and the person/company was hit with a hefty fine........

I'll post a link if I can find one.........


There you go:
http://www.thsp.co.uk/news/archive/item/1339-fined-for-taking-just-a-little-too-much-water-without-a-licence

Not quite as I stated above but near enough.
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PostSubject: Re: Drought - The Greatest threat to our rivers?   Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:45 pm

I believe there was a case reported in this weeks Angling Times of a commercial Fishery owner being
fined £3800. for extracting water into his lake.Correct me if I am wrong cause my copy is at work to check.

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PostSubject: Re: Drought - The Greatest threat to our rivers?   Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:08 pm

To give an idea of low ground water levels a house that i recently did some work at right next to the bone dry river Pang has a bore hole and the level in said hole is 4` down...right in the bottom of the river valley .
equally my village is fairly high up and the bore hole on the edge of it that feeds the manor house is uber deep 184` down to the pump .....anyways my mate was asked to go and check on it as the big house had no water so off he trots to the pump house and can hear the pump racing but no water so they lower the pump to find water and again 4` drop...don`t sound much but taken over a big area that is a shed load of water that aint there any more no wonder the flow is slow Steve
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PostSubject: Re: Drought - The Greatest threat to our rivers?   Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:04 pm

Here you go, someone has put in an application to the EA to abstract from a bore hole.

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/research/library/consultations/138904.aspx

A.T.B. Sports Solutions LLP

Closing date for comments: 11 May 2012. Borehole at Hurlingham Park, Fulham, at National Grid Reference TQ 24912 76040.

Water Resources Act 1991 (as amended by the Water Act 2003). Notice of application for a full licence to abstract water.

Notice is hereby given, in accordance with Section 37 of the Water Resources Act 1991 and Regulation 6 of the Water Resources (Abstraction and Impounding) Regulations 2006 that an application has been made to the Environment Agency by A.T.B. Sports Solutions LLP for a full licence to abstract water from a borehole into alluvium – gravel at Hurlingham Park, Fulham, at National Grid Reference TQ 24912 76040.

The proposal is to abstract water at the following rates and periods:
10.4 cubic metres an hour,
104 cubic metres a day and
15,000 cubic metres a year
between April and August inclusive in each year.

The water will be used for spray irrigation.

A copy of the application, map, plan and any other document submitted with it may be inspected free of charge at the address of

the Environment Agency
Bishops Square Business Park
St. Albans Road West
Hatfield
Hertfordshire
AL10 9EX

during normal office hours (Monday-Friday, except bank holidays).
Summary details of the application are also available from the Public Register held by the Environment Agency at the above address and may also be inspected free of charge during normal office hours.
Your chance to comment

Any person who wishes to make representations about the application must do so in writing, quoting the name of the applicant and reference number NPS/WR/009745 to:

The Environment Agency
Water Resources Team
Permitting Support Centre
Quadrant 2
99 Parkway Avenue
Parkway Business Park
Sheffield
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PostSubject: Re: Drought - The Greatest threat to our rivers?   Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:16 am

Drought may last until Christmas:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-17690389

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PostSubject: Re: Drought - The Greatest threat to our rivers?   Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:09 pm

Who's to say it will even be over by Christmas?

Given the drought has resulted from 2 dry years in a row, we might as well expect another one as not, for all the meteorologists can tell at this distance of time. No
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PostSubject: Re: Drought - The Greatest threat to our rivers?   Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:02 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Drought - The Greatest threat to our rivers?   Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:18 pm

Looks like April could be a life saver.... well in Chessington

http://www.chessingtonweather.co.uk/


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